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How do those people afford Titans?
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Flying in just a Caldari rookie ship known as an Ibis, which is given to any player without a ship at a station, Ozuwara was carrying one of the most valuable commodities of New Eden: PLEX. People make alts specifically for just flying the titan, and train the skills required for about 2 years, because of this. It takes 2+ years because it's a 60 Billion ISK ship. You have to have all the skills trained to max.
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bl3h | Edited by: bl3h on 16/02/2011 16:19:56
I'm a relatively new player and just started a few months ago. I've been following the 0.0 wars and the Titan losses, and I was wondering, how do so many people afford to fly Titans? Most of them can afford to replace them too. Do alliances offer discounted price on Titans, or just give one to trusted senior members who can fly it? Or are those people just super rich and can afford to buy them off of the Sell forum whenever they lose it? |
Zyress | The skill books alone to fly a capital class ship are enormously expensive, (around 800,000,000.00 isk for Capital Ships and Caldari Carrier) plus the lesser Capital Ship Logistics skills Fighter Bomber skills etc., then the ship is of course an enormous expense above that. Given that not every pilot spends the isk to get into it, yeah the pilots are kind of rare and so privileged. Our alliance provides capital ships to competent pilots, they don't help with the skills though. |
Aessoroz
Nohbdy. | People can get far richer than you ever imagined easily in this game. :P |
Rashmika Clavain
Gallente | Titan's are also very profitable when you're able to produce Moon Goo reactions out of nothing and not get banned for it |
Jaisan
Minmatar
Ulysses Enterprises | It's easy to afford a Titan.
You just become a station manager and skim off taxes from your alliance members / local pets, or plunder your alliance hangers like most Alliance leaders. |
Jaik7 | titans come from moon goo farms in severly underpopulated 0.0 space held down by large alliances who mostly use the space until the strategic level of the system is high enough to install a cynojammer and then move on to kicking smaller corporations out of new space with superblobs so they can do it all over again.
the answer, boycott t2 items.
the practical answer, make the strategic level of a system be developed by the number of plyaer hours spent there, instead of the time the system was owned. |
rock crawlermne | Seriously? Botting? Stop crying wolf..
It's not all botting..keep in mind if I have 100bill isk, but no one has taken the time to mine moon goo then no matter how much i want it, no titan will be bought by me. Remember the eve economy is PLAYER based, you can't go buy a titan from a npc. even if i bot until i can afford 10 titans, there won't be one until somone mines the goo and creats the mods.
Titans and super caps are supposed to be designed as 'alliance toys'. Meaning, only a group of people can afford one.
You said you are new, so I'll clue you in. This game is based around teamwork. all aspects of the game are designed around it.
Manufacturing is a result of group mining, in PVP, teamwork is essiental, in PVE, teamwork is helpfull.
No one person is supposed to be able to afford a titan or supercap.
That being said, (for the sake of looking at both sides) you could argue that rat botting has opened up the door to allow more to be built by a single group. more isk income means more moon pos's to be built and supported..but again, that also means more sales for the people building POS devices.
The problem now a day is blobs of supercaps..and yes I do beleive some of this is a result of botting. But not all! |
Ger Tomard
Caldari
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
| I got my first Titan doing level 4 missions, the second was free from the alliance. |
Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise. | in Eve isk makes isk, seriously
the more you have, the more you can make!
It took me several times longer to make my first 100mil than it did to go from 1-10bil, you tend to hit another bottleneck at about 20-30bil. |
Claymore Rhade | A titan cost about 34bil currently to build and about another 10b for mods if your going the cheap side. If your straight purchasing said titan you will be paying 50b+.
Anyway, as or current you need at the bare min 30+m SP to fly a titan properly. Thats about 1 and half year at the very least. There are many ways in game to earn isk. At current I earn 4b a month basically passively without moon mining. When you finally crawl outta high sec you'll find that it is very easy to make isk and that the 50+b you need for a titan isnt really that much.
On top of that a titan is an alliance tool, period. Alliance will help you fund it and get into one most of the time if they trust you and think you would an asset to them in one. |
Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
| It is possible to get titans without botting. It's a matter of dedication. |
Tennin Sylph | Edited by: Tennin Sylph on 16/02/2011 17:37:08Originally by:Illwill BillIt is possible to get titans without botting. It's a matter of dedication. So botting/corp theft/directors skimming from alliance income then. |
Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect | 1. Get an account
2. Get in 0.0 space
3. ???
4. Profit!
It's that easy folks |
Skylitsa | This is eve, survival of the fittest and ****.
Botting. |
Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
| Originally by:Tennin SylphEdited by: Tennin Sylph on 16/02/2011 17:37:08
Originally by:Illwill BillIt is possible to get titans without botting. It's a matter of dedication.
So botting/corp theft/directors skimming from alliance income then. Not saying that there isn't people who bot to afford their titans, I'm just saying there are other ways as well. I can think several ways of raising 100b in Eve. The options you mentioned are just some of them. Scamming is my favourite. |
Fulbert
Gallente | 0.0 is flooded by ISKs : huge bounties for easy-to-kill rats (especially since Dominion), lucrative drone loots, moon mining, and now planetary interaction. One single 0.0 player can earn easily more than one billion a month. 1000 members = 1 trillion..
Point is, years ago, the loss of a Titan was a terrible thing for an alliance, and now, people can lose 10 in a lagfest without remorse.. |
Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi | Originally by:rock crawlermneSeriously? Botting? Stop crying wolf..
It's not all botting..keep in mind if I have 100bill isk, but no one has taken the time to mine moon goo then no matter how much i want it, no titan will be bought by me. Remember the eve economy is PLAYER based, you can't go buy a titan from a npc. even if i bot until i can afford 10 titans, there won't be one until somone mines the goo and creats the mods. You have never heard of the drone regions and drone alloys, have you? |
CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance | removed discussions on botting. This thread is how can people afford Titans. If you wish to discuss botting please use the appropriate thread here. |
Pr1ncess Alia | Originally by:CCP Adidaremoved discussions on botting. This thread is how can people afford Titans. If you wish to discuss botting please use the appropriate thread here. I'm not trying to be smart about this, but this is a known method of achieving isk. It's a valid answer to 'how can people afford titans?', it's part of the discussion, whether ccp wants to acknowledge this black eye or not I understand if you must sweep me under the rug as a post like this is no good for PR. The very least you can do is just lock this thread, as you have no intention of letting us discuss the very REAL ways people achieve their endgame in Eve. |
Aessoroz
Nohbdy. | Edited by: Aessoroz on 16/02/2011 18:13:23Edited by: Aessoroz on 16/02/2011 18:13:04Originally by:CCP Adidaremoved discussions on botting. This thread is how can people afford Titans. If you wish to discuss botting please use the appropriate thread here. Oh yea, the russians charging renters impossible rents and even station taxes on refining has nothing to do with botting. Nope, the rents surely don't bot for the isk as it would take a ridiculous number of people to pay for it otherwise. The russians definitely don't spend that isk on titans and super caps, nope no sir, all the documentations on external sites(which CCP is very well aware of) detailing their activities and specific recruitment for botters doesn't say anything to the contrary. |
Liang Nuren | If you assume that someone can make a 10% return on their income per month, it isn't terribly hard. Starting with 5 bil (easy to come by), it will take you 2 years to afford a Titan. 6 months after that and you can replace it with some regularity.
Furthermore, it discounts more active means of making ISK, like L4s and anoms - both of which can pay more than 100M ISK/hr. And that's just personally supplied Titans - completely neglecting corp/alliance supplied titans.
-Liang |
Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
| Generally, any method for acquiring massive amounts of ISK generally involves getting people dumber than you to do your work for you. It's called: 'trading'. |
freshspree
Caldari
Dissonance Corp | Originally by:Xtreemin Eve isk makes isk, seriously
the more you have, the more you can make!
It took me several times longer to make my first 100mil than it did to go from 1-10bil, you tend to hit another bottleneck at about 20-30bil. Very true. I find it easy to hit 1 bil these days. |
Herufaia | This thread is about how people can afford to buy titans only.
Posts refering to market trading, mining, ratting, ganking, theft, missions, gtcs, character trading, moon go and PI will be removed and you can post in the relevant threads about them. |
Zhim'Fufu | Originally by:CCP Adidaremoved discussions on botting. This thread is how can people afford Titans. If you wish to discuss botting please use the appropriate thread here. Are you seriously saying that the botters are not funding those massive cap fleets which include titans with their illegal isk? Seriously?! |
Jada Maroo | Edited by: Jada Maroo on 16/02/2011 18:54:22Originally by:Rashmika ClavainTitan's are also very profitable when you're able to produce Moon Goo reactions out of nothing and not get banned for it That's an interesting exploit. Also, many wormhole corps got very wealthy from the range bug that allowed them to farm sleepers at impossible ranges. I'll toss in another one -- hundreds of autopilotting L4 hauling bots to grind up LP all day. Those things are obscene and obvious. Just sit outside any L4 manufacturing agent's station and watch the flow of Bestowers. |
Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda | I think its usually alliances that purchase Titans. At least combat titans.
And Chribba, but he's just a collector. |
Zhim'Fufu | Originally by:AiwhaI think its usually alliances that purchase Titans. At least combat titans.
And Chribba, but he's just a collector. Mostly this. Only alliances can afford to actually use them in combat ops due to the massive amount of isk even an honest non botting and exploit using corp can generate. Solo owners might log them in to make some screenshots of them for e-peening but rarely ever actually use them unless its under a pos shield giving out bonuses like in amamake for the pirates or jumping a bs gang with the bridge for smaller greifer corps with a bit of isk. As far as the average eve player is concerned they will never be able to afford one let alone use it in any meaningful way. |
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire | Originally by:Zhim'FufuMostly this. Only alliances can afford to actually use them in combat ops due to the massive amount of isk even an honest non botting and exploit using corp can generate. Solo owners might log them in to make some screenshots of them for e-peening but rarely ever actually use them unless its under a pos shield giving out bonuses like in amamake for the pirates or jumping a bs gang with the bridge for smaller greifer corps with a bit of isk. As far as the average eve player is concerned they will never be able to afford one let alone use it in any meaningful way. Bah we sure don't do it just for the e-peen! There's also mining involved (or for me at least ) /c |
James Tiberius Kirk | Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 16/02/2011 19:27:09
Moon goo. Tech moons literally s*** gold-pressed latinum.
Bots. They keep mineral prices down, ISK amount high.
Even losing titans in 2 digit numbers, only limiting factor about titans is, how long does it take to build one. Minerals are worthless, ISK is worthless, moon goo is plenty. Its such a joke, people fit titans with cap injectors, if you don't believe me, go look at razor killboard.
Individuals that own titans for the sake of owning one, are either rich traders, extremely patient miners or botters.
EVE economy is not player driven, its bot driven. |
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Gamers were agog this weekend when screenshots and videos of an enormous (and somewhat accidental) battle in EVE Online hit the web. All told, 3,161 players duked it out in the Asakai system; 222 ships were killed, resulting in a loss of 470 billion ISK (the in-game currency), according to EVE-Kill.net.
Reports from Reddit and EVE bloggers indicate the fray was sparked when the pilot of a titan ship (the most expensive class in the game) prematurely jumped into enemy space, rather than warp allies to his location (a technique known as 'bridging'). A lone titan in 'low security' space is like blood in the water, and players from multiple factions rushed in, with reinforcements piling on to attack and defend.
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Essentially, one pilot's accidental click ignited one of the largest impromptu capital ship battles in EVE history.
Besides the far-reaching in-game political implications of this battle (which are a bit too 'inside baseball' for this publication), the spat has intrigued the Internet for a few reasons. For one, capital and super capital ships like the titan class can take months for players to build. Amassing wealth in EVE's hyper-capitalist, living economy is a full-time job, and it can be traded (legitimately) for the game's real-life subscription fees. Thus, some players at the Asakai battle were risking and losing ships worth upwards of $1,000 (real dollars), and months of work.
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Asakai was by no means the largest battle EVE has seen by player count, according to Ned Coker, who handles media relations for CCP, the company that runs the massive online universe.
'There was actually a battle happening at or around the same time in a completely different location organized by two alliances as a free-for-all that had over 19,000 ships killed,' Coker tells Mashable. 'But they were much smaller ships, and it was a pre-planned event instead of an organic battle.'
That's the other reason EVE fans are so enthralled by Asakai — it was not planned the way many of the game's complex operations usually are.
'If the parties involved know there is going to be a fight happening in a specific system, usually because some physical asset there is going to become vulnerable at a certain time, they use the fleet fight notification form to contact us ahead of time and let us know, so we can put our super expensive, way-fast hardware on that system,' says Coker. Because all players inhabit the same persistent universe, CCP will often divert server resources to hot spots where the action is.
In this case, the game kicked into 'time dilation' mode.
Eve Flying A Titan Attack
'We actually 'slow down time' so that all server calls happen in the right order and the fight becomes fair. If we didn't do that, the massive amount of data traveling back and forth might mean one side’s modules and commands wouldn't go through, and all of a sudden it's just a game of flip-the-coin,' Coker explains. 'We didn't have any technical server issues, although we do kinda wish the fight was more planned (although that would take away some of the fun), so we could have put it on a dedicated node without ruining the fight. Time dilation kicked in, lots of ships were killed, and it was awesome.'
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Online discussion around the battle has led to lengthy explanations of what EVE is, and how new players can get started. 'We’ve seen an uptick in signups and accounts,' says Coker. 'Some are new players and some are old players returning who just can’t stay away once they hear about such things.'
Eve Online Flying A Titan
For a first-person view of the Asakai battle, check out this video.
CCP also provided Mashable with this chart, showing the loss of in-game revenue by ship class.
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